Ahh, the joys of being a man . . .
G0YS . . .
Seems like a perfect niche for a lot of guys to me, men who don’t identify with homosexuality, but have deep affection, even physical desire, for other men. G0ys appears to be a movement of sorts, and for a number of reasons I believe a movement in the right direction.
After reading through g0ys.org and a few other sites, the only thing I find issue with is what appears to be a tendency to discredit stereotypical homosexuality. It’s fine to celebrate traditional masculinity in its purest form, but I don’t think it’s necessary or productive to call some men sissies or other derogatory terms. It’s not masculine or admirable to make fun of those who do not see things the same way some of the rest of us do. Celebrate masculinity and male intimacy, but leave the unnecessary baggage behind.
From the intro at g0ys.org
Most of the guys who stumble onto the g0ys (spelled w. a zer0) movement are looking for answers to some serious questions about themselves. Most are shocked when they learn that +60% of all guys have similar questions (the majority)! Most (but not all) of these guys have feelings for women, but also deal with internal issues arising from the fact that they also have affections for other guys, too! And, such guys don’t identify as “GAY” at all!
Don’t identify with “GAY”? No! Guys like us actually find the imagery & stereotypes that are promoted from WITHIN the so-called “gay-male community” to be repugnant to our sensibilities of masculinity & respect. We know instinctively that loving other guys has nothing whatsoever to do with gender-bending, x-dressing or playing the female role! G0YS, -by our very nature reject anything to do with playing inside another person’s butt; -hence we find the entire notion of “anal-sex” to be dirty, degrading & damn-unmasculine. Feel familiar? Know what? G0YS are right!
Lots of guys who stumble onto the g0ys movement have been beat-up by their religion & told that Same-Gender-Affections (SGA) are “sin”. We know that this issue is so paramount to these guys that an in-depth section of the main g0ys website has been developed to give real, in-depth theological answers from several sources including a PhD who has written extensively on the subject matter. What we have done on the theological section is shown how relying on the actual Scriptures represents the real strength of our position, -instead of trying to water-down or deride the texts as so many “pro-gay” groups do. We also go into great depth to explain the rationale behind what was & wasn’t prohibited in the Torah. This section is absolutely essential for men who demand solid answers to reconcile their faith & feelings without compromising truth or morality. G0YS understand this need!
Also within the g0ys main site are many essays that give insight into 3000+ years of historical analysis, & show how the “modern gay movement” has been hijacked by pornographers, perverts, sociopathic-personalities & fascists all with agendas that attempt to link themselves with Same Gender Affections by suggestion that it’s all part of the same “GLIT” movement. It’s essential to understand how a movement can get perverted by special interests, & how important it is to reject that movement after it has been irreparably perverted by antithetical agendas. G0YS show how the M2M movement was contaminated by a gender-bending, pro-analsex set of interests; –And “GAY” has become an amorphous term used to push every social ill under the guise of “tolerance”. G0YS understand that when a philosophy results in actions that harm others –then it’s time to STOP TOLERATING IT.
Within the g0ys main site you will also find links to other g0y-centric groups that are growing at a rate almost too fast to keep up with. We’ve listed many of them with space to add your’s if you decide to become pro-active as a g0y, too. We have over 6 years of commentary in some of the core groups & encourage your participation after you’ve taken some time to look over the main site. Doing so will get many of your initial questions out of the way -so that your appearance in the groups won’t leave you too “green” as to the general posturing of the members & movement overall.
The g0ys groups also contain a collection of astonishing images of handsome guys. You’ll discover that g0ys aren’t prudes at all & we have no qualms against nudity. What we do insist on is that images be tasteful & never showcase disrespect toward a model. We believe that love is awesome & have no qualms with images that display it between men. We do not believe that genderfukk, abuse, pain or forms of domination constitute acceptable content (unless such images are used to deride abusive principles themselves). G0YS are all about respect. Our use of imagery tries to relay the clear message that guys can totally love other guys without anyone losing respect nor making any sacrifice of their masculinity. Trust, Respect, Discretion, Masculinity, Love … G0Y ideals.
What men who look into the G0YS movement generally discover is that there is a place for men who love masculinity & don’t feel comfortable with the term “GAY” nor the stigmas surrounding it. G0YS represent the silent majority of guys who happen to have deep feelings for other guys & would like to express them in an atmosphere of respect without the least hint of moral compromise nor a need to blindly “tolerate” offensive actions.
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Thanks Patrick, and well said.
Where do I stand? I strongly admire the gOy philosophy; average men peeling away the layers of social indoctrination and discovering the beauty of being a man who understands how to enjoy the companionship of other men. As I see it, the gOy philosophy gives men who simply cannot identify with the gay lifestyle an alternative; an alternative for his natural desire for intimate male companionship. It opens the door to a life with less clutter, which gives us the ability to appreciate and enjoy a relationship with another man without guilt or self-reproach, if we want to be naked with him, to look at him, to touch or kiss him. Such freedom comprises the elements of life that make life worth living.
Where I personally vary from the gOy philosophy is I’m not at odds with any lifestyle, gay, straight or in between. I may not understand cross-dressers or effeminate men or some of the myriad variations of human sexuality, but as long as a person is not causing harm or oppressing another, I can’t find fault with them.
I would like to use this site to promote the gOy philosophy, perhaps, with your permission, reproduce some of the personal stories on gOys.org, along with a link.
I think g0ys ARE thought of as average, everyday typical men – simply because g0ys do not go about parading their proclivities and attractions – people don’t get ‘suspicious’. We don’t march, we don’t demand ‘rights’; we just go about our lives and when people look at us, they say ‘oh, there goes a man – a male’. Where don’t flaunt our attractions. Intimacy, if it occurs between two men that adhere to the g0y philosophy, is a deeply private matter. We don’t advertise it when it occurs. All one needs to do is read the g0ys.org website to understand that g0ys is not, nor will it ever be, a sub-community of gay. What sets us apart from the gay community and ‘gAy lifestyle’ is HOW we choose to express our same-gender-affections and the behaviors and fetishes we reject as counter to the premise of masculinity and respect for the male gender. Yes, I’d say we recognize that gay and bisexual men can also be masculine. But…that is not the extent of ‘what it takes to be g0y’…if those same men, who appear masculine, engage in behaviors or are complicit in accepting thos that engage in certain behaviors, then they fall short of what we consider ‘standards for masculinity’ and we will always seek to distance ourselves from those factions. G0ys can be heterosexual, bisexual or homosexual (orientation)…but those who practice or support the ‘gAy lifestyle’ (behavior) can never be g0y. Martin, I’m curious…you appear to me, as you stated, to admire and understand the g0y philosophy. Perhaps you wouldn’t mind sharing with your readers – a great many g0ys have been directed to this particular page, so the microscope is activated – where you stand exactly on the issue of behaviors, fetishes and factions within the gAy lifestyle that run counter to the g0y philosophy?
Best wishes, Patrick
Clearly, this is one more example of how diversified the male persona is. The levels of same sex attraction seem to be as numerous as sands in an hour glass. I personally believe bisexual and gay men are mostly masculine, that their attractions to each other vary greatly, and all are acceptable and life enhancing when they are recognized, embraced and acted upon. G0ys are a community of masculine men who recognized the benefits of emotional and affectionate relationships with other men, and I deeply admire the philosophy, though I also believe a great many who practice this philosophy recognize and accept the fact gay and bisexual men can also be masculine, but decide the lifestyle is simply not for them.
Lets hope the time comes when g0ys are thought of as average, everyday typical men by wives, girlfriends and society at large.
G0ys do not hide who we are but neither do we flaunt what turns us on. We care for those we have affection for. Discretion is not shame it is a form of respect. I do not broadcast to the world what me and my wife do behind closed doors neither am I going to broadcast the affection I have for my best bud.
I am out to my family and my wife so not an issue but my best bud might not want to be painted with the stigma of gay by those that do not understand what g0y means. So what me and my buddy do is between me and my buddy.
Soft personalities are not shunned by g0ys we just appreciate what makes a man a man. I personally have many interest that might seem effeminate at first but the do not detract from my masculinity. I like gardening I enjoy sewing and cooking. I Like to decorate and have a good eye for color. I ride horses and water ski, I enjoy building things and am currently building a house. I work out and have three daughters who enjoy playing world of warcraft (an MMORPG)I work on my car when it needs it. I process the results of my vegetable garden so that we eat the fruits of my labor well into the winter.
Some of these, are activities that would seem very feminine and most men can not really talk knowledgeably about how to make sure you get a good seal when you can tomatoes or the difference between a herringbone stitch and a backstitch. Most women on the other hand would not know how to break a horse or how to frame out a house for that matter so it is just a matter of knowing where your talents lie and where your interest take you. I can respect what might interest me might not interest someone else. Especially when they can have the same respect for me.
JT, I believe you might have misread the previous post. The author wrote “Effeminate”, not “Feminine”. There IS a difference. Feminine (soft) personalities are completely acceptable. EFFeminate (deliberate campy behavior) is not. The polar opposite of EFFeminiate would be a disply of hyper-masculinity. Both are affected campy behavior. We’re not separating ourselves from the rest of the world, we’re a larger demographic of men whom have always felt OUTSIDE the gAy lifestyle and whom – for many of us – have always BEEN outside the gAy lifestyle – g0ys include a large number of hetero- and bi-sexual men (some are simply looking to reconnect with their male peers on a non-sexual level) and we are simply finally vocalizing the fact that we are not ‘part of’ and never were ‘part of’ the gAy lifestyle. We’re not hiding ourselves. It’s gays that wish to delineate themselves as something apart from the larger male population. Not us. It has absolutely nothing to do with ‘if people think you are gay’. WE don’t identify ourselves as GAY. I may be homosexual. Homosexual is my orientation. But I am not GAY. Gay i refers to a lifestyle I have no affinity for or with. Actually, the ‘rest of the world’, once they explore g0ys in depth actually understand it. What they don’t understand is ‘gAy’, which infuses into its definition elements which have nothing to do with mere MALE same-gender-affection: gender-bending, lesbians, cross-dressers, trans-sexuals and all manner of other factions. WE identify with the 50-60% of males with feelings of same-gender-affection outside the gay community, rather than the fetish factions within the 9-12% that all call themselves ‘gay’.
The commentary of not understanding probably comes from either not actually taking the time to read the g0ys.org website or being gAy or both. gAy guys have been brainwashed by gAy media and gAy community to the point that understanding the average male is beyond their ability without a true desire or need to leave the gAy identity behind. It is not about hating people but hating the disrespect for masculinity and disease spreading death practices of a certain group of people. It is about male2male practices that have always existed discretely among men and respected privately. It is not about anonymous encounters or just using a guy to get your rocks off. And if you are gAy and don’t understand our perspective, we really don’t care. But if you sincerely want to learn more, then read http://www.g0ys.org and check into some of our yahoo groups that are supportive of guys who identify with us and enjoy the camaraderie. Search the internet for g0ys (spelled with a zero)…
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What a refreshing take on male/male intimacy.
Well I as well am grossed out by the thought of anal sex but the thing I noticed about g0ys.org is if your feminine at all no matter if you can help it or not then you don’t fit in with that group (maybe im wrong someone correct me if I am) but what im seeing from that is that they are separating themselves from the rest of the world and not really showing everyone who they really are and that to me is just sad because hiding yourself is not the answer I personally think you should be open and honest with who you are if people think your gay then who cares because deep down you know what you identify yourself as so if the rest of the world don’t like it that’s their prob not yours.
Appreciate your commentary on g0ys.org. I wanted to point out that PART of the reason that g0ys.org has the tone that it carries is because it is necessary to make clear to the visitor what the g0ys’ movement is & is NOT about -in no uncertain terms. The site appeals to regular guys & provides a comfort level of psychological assurance by setting a tone that makes it clear that the “FEMS & PANSIES” of “GAYDOM” will not be welcome to drop in. G0Ys is NOT a “Gay-Friendly” place. The “Gay” community “Tolerates” everything. G0YS DON’T. If a guy needs a “pacifier” either in his mouth or in his arse — then he’s not welcome at g0ys.org. G0YS draw the hard-line so that men who love MEN will know they’re in a place of like-minded guys -while knowing that some half-man isn’t in the virtual lobby filing his nails or scoping for a piece of tail. Effeminate & the arse-phukking –NOT welcome. And with that message loudly broadcast: The kind of guys who are g0y can feel more confident that they’re around kindred spirits & not closeted queens.