Comments on: G0Ys (Spelled with a zero) http://enlightenedmale2000.com/2009/12/28/g0ys-spelled-with-a-zero/ The diversity of male sexuality. Tue, 07 Sep 2010 07:16:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: martin http://enlightenedmale2000.com/2009/12/28/g0ys-spelled-with-a-zero/comment-page-1/#comment-671 martin Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:33:51 +0000 http://enlightenedmale2000.com/?p=2150#comment-671 Thanks Patrick, and well said. Where do I stand? I strongly admire the gOy philosophy; average men peeling away the layers of social indoctrination and discovering the beauty of being a man who understands how to enjoy the companionship of other men. As I see it, the gOy philosophy gives men who simply cannot identify with the gay lifestyle an alternative; an alternative for his natural desire for intimate male companionship. It opens the door to a life with less clutter, which gives us the ability to appreciate and enjoy a relationship with another man without guilt or self-reproach, if we want to be naked with him, to look at him, to touch or kiss him. Such freedom comprises the elements of life that make life worth living. Where I personally vary from the gOy philosophy is I'm not at odds with any lifestyle, gay, straight or in between. I may not understand cross-dressers or effeminate men or some of the myriad variations of human sexuality, but as long as a person is not causing harm or oppressing another, I can't find fault with them. I would like to use this site to promote the gOy philosophy, perhaps, with your permission, reproduce some of the personal stories on gOys.org, along with a link. Thanks Patrick, and well said.

Where do I stand? I strongly admire the gOy philosophy; average men peeling away the layers of social indoctrination and discovering the beauty of being a man who understands how to enjoy the companionship of other men. As I see it, the gOy philosophy gives men who simply cannot identify with the gay lifestyle an alternative; an alternative for his natural desire for intimate male companionship. It opens the door to a life with less clutter, which gives us the ability to appreciate and enjoy a relationship with another man without guilt or self-reproach, if we want to be naked with him, to look at him, to touch or kiss him. Such freedom comprises the elements of life that make life worth living.

Where I personally vary from the gOy philosophy is I’m not at odds with any lifestyle, gay, straight or in between. I may not understand cross-dressers or effeminate men or some of the myriad variations of human sexuality, but as long as a person is not causing harm or oppressing another, I can’t find fault with them.

I would like to use this site to promote the gOy philosophy, perhaps, with your permission, reproduce some of the personal stories on gOys.org, along with a link.

]]> By: Patrick http://enlightenedmale2000.com/2009/12/28/g0ys-spelled-with-a-zero/comment-page-1/#comment-670 Patrick Sun, 25 Jul 2010 13:53:31 +0000 http://enlightenedmale2000.com/?p=2150#comment-670 I think g0ys ARE thought of as average, everyday typical men - simply because g0ys do not go about parading their proclivities and attractions - people don't get 'suspicious'. We don't march, we don't demand 'rights'; we just go about our lives and when people look at us, they say 'oh, there goes a man - a male'. Where don't flaunt our attractions. Intimacy, if it occurs between two men that adhere to the g0y philosophy, is a deeply private matter. We don't advertise it when it occurs. All one needs to do is read the g0ys.org website to understand that g0ys is not, nor will it ever be, a sub-community of gay. What sets us apart from the gay community and 'gAy lifestyle' is HOW we choose to express our same-gender-affections and the behaviors and fetishes we reject as counter to the premise of masculinity and respect for the male gender. Yes, I'd say we recognize that gay and bisexual men can also be masculine. But...that is not the extent of 'what it takes to be g0y'...if those same men, who appear masculine, engage in behaviors or are complicit in accepting thos that engage in certain behaviors, then they fall short of what we consider 'standards for masculinity' and we will always seek to distance ourselves from those factions. G0ys can be heterosexual, bisexual or homosexual (orientation)...but those who practice or support the 'gAy lifestyle' (behavior) can never be g0y. Martin, I'm curious...you appear to me, as you stated, to admire and understand the g0y philosophy. Perhaps you wouldn't mind sharing with your readers - a great many g0ys have been directed to this particular page, so the microscope is activated - where you stand exactly on the issue of behaviors, fetishes and factions within the gAy lifestyle that run counter to the g0y philosophy? Best wishes, Patrick I think g0ys ARE thought of as average, everyday typical men – simply because g0ys do not go about parading their proclivities and attractions – people don’t get ’suspicious’. We don’t march, we don’t demand ‘rights’; we just go about our lives and when people look at us, they say ‘oh, there goes a man – a male’. Where don’t flaunt our attractions. Intimacy, if it occurs between two men that adhere to the g0y philosophy, is a deeply private matter. We don’t advertise it when it occurs. All one needs to do is read the g0ys.org website to understand that g0ys is not, nor will it ever be, a sub-community of gay. What sets us apart from the gay community and ‘gAy lifestyle’ is HOW we choose to express our same-gender-affections and the behaviors and fetishes we reject as counter to the premise of masculinity and respect for the male gender. Yes, I’d say we recognize that gay and bisexual men can also be masculine. But…that is not the extent of ‘what it takes to be g0y’…if those same men, who appear masculine, engage in behaviors or are complicit in accepting thos that engage in certain behaviors, then they fall short of what we consider ’standards for masculinity’ and we will always seek to distance ourselves from those factions. G0ys can be heterosexual, bisexual or homosexual (orientation)…but those who practice or support the ‘gAy lifestyle’ (behavior) can never be g0y. Martin, I’m curious…you appear to me, as you stated, to admire and understand the g0y philosophy. Perhaps you wouldn’t mind sharing with your readers – a great many g0ys have been directed to this particular page, so the microscope is activated – where you stand exactly on the issue of behaviors, fetishes and factions within the gAy lifestyle that run counter to the g0y philosophy?
Best wishes, Patrick

]]> By: martin http://enlightenedmale2000.com/2009/12/28/g0ys-spelled-with-a-zero/comment-page-1/#comment-661 martin Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:07:15 +0000 http://enlightenedmale2000.com/?p=2150#comment-661 Clearly, this is one more example of how diversified the male persona is. The levels of same sex attraction seem to be as numerous as sands in an hour glass. I personally believe bisexual and gay men are mostly masculine, that their attractions to each other vary greatly, and all are acceptable and life enhancing when they are recognized, embraced and acted upon. G0ys are a community of masculine men who recognized the benefits of emotional and affectionate relationships with other men, and I deeply admire the philosophy, though I also believe a great many who practice this philosophy recognize and accept the fact gay and bisexual men can also be masculine, but decide the lifestyle is simply not for them. Lets hope the time comes when g0ys are thought of as average, everyday typical men by wives, girlfriends and society at large. Clearly, this is one more example of how diversified the male persona is. The levels of same sex attraction seem to be as numerous as sands in an hour glass. I personally believe bisexual and gay men are mostly masculine, that their attractions to each other vary greatly, and all are acceptable and life enhancing when they are recognized, embraced and acted upon. G0ys are a community of masculine men who recognized the benefits of emotional and affectionate relationships with other men, and I deeply admire the philosophy, though I also believe a great many who practice this philosophy recognize and accept the fact gay and bisexual men can also be masculine, but decide the lifestyle is simply not for them.

Lets hope the time comes when g0ys are thought of as average, everyday typical men by wives, girlfriends and society at large.

]]> By: Randy Wolff http://enlightenedmale2000.com/2009/12/28/g0ys-spelled-with-a-zero/comment-page-1/#comment-659 Randy Wolff Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:01:39 +0000 http://enlightenedmale2000.com/?p=2150#comment-659 G0ys do not hide who we are but neither do we flaunt what turns us on. We care for those we have affection for. Discretion is not shame it is a form of respect. I do not broadcast to the world what me and my wife do behind closed doors neither am I going to broadcast the affection I have for my best bud. I am out to my family and my wife so not an issue but my best bud might not want to be painted with the stigma of gay by those that do not understand what g0y means. So what me and my buddy do is between me and my buddy. Soft personalities are not shunned by g0ys we just appreciate what makes a man a man. I personally have many interest that might seem effeminate at first but the do not detract from my masculinity. I like gardening I enjoy sewing and cooking. I Like to decorate and have a good eye for color. I ride horses and water ski, I enjoy building things and am currently building a house. I work out and have three daughters who enjoy playing world of warcraft (an MMORPG)I work on my car when it needs it. I process the results of my vegetable garden so that we eat the fruits of my labor well into the winter. Some of these, are activities that would seem very feminine and most men can not really talk knowledgeably about how to make sure you get a good seal when you can tomatoes or the difference between a herringbone stitch and a backstitch. Most women on the other hand would not know how to break a horse or how to frame out a house for that matter so it is just a matter of knowing where your talents lie and where your interest take you. I can respect what might interest me might not interest someone else. Especially when they can have the same respect for me. G0ys do not hide who we are but neither do we flaunt what turns us on. We care for those we have affection for. Discretion is not shame it is a form of respect. I do not broadcast to the world what me and my wife do behind closed doors neither am I going to broadcast the affection I have for my best bud.

I am out to my family and my wife so not an issue but my best bud might not want to be painted with the stigma of gay by those that do not understand what g0y means. So what me and my buddy do is between me and my buddy.

Soft personalities are not shunned by g0ys we just appreciate what makes a man a man. I personally have many interest that might seem effeminate at first but the do not detract from my masculinity. I like gardening I enjoy sewing and cooking. I Like to decorate and have a good eye for color. I ride horses and water ski, I enjoy building things and am currently building a house. I work out and have three daughters who enjoy playing world of warcraft (an MMORPG)I work on my car when it needs it. I process the results of my vegetable garden so that we eat the fruits of my labor well into the winter.

Some of these, are activities that would seem very feminine and most men can not really talk knowledgeably about how to make sure you get a good seal when you can tomatoes or the difference between a herringbone stitch and a backstitch. Most women on the other hand would not know how to break a horse or how to frame out a house for that matter so it is just a matter of knowing where your talents lie and where your interest take you. I can respect what might interest me might not interest someone else. Especially when they can have the same respect for me.

]]> By: Patrick http://enlightenedmale2000.com/2009/12/28/g0ys-spelled-with-a-zero/comment-page-1/#comment-657 Patrick Thu, 22 Jul 2010 23:06:50 +0000 http://enlightenedmale2000.com/?p=2150#comment-657 JT, I believe you might have misread the previous post. The author wrote "Effeminate", not "Feminine". There IS a difference. Feminine (soft) personalities are completely acceptable. EFFeminate (deliberate campy behavior) is not. The polar opposite of EFFeminiate would be a disply of hyper-masculinity. Both are affected campy behavior. We're not separating ourselves from the rest of the world, we're a larger demographic of men whom have always felt OUTSIDE the gAy lifestyle and whom - for many of us - have always BEEN outside the gAy lifestyle - g0ys include a large number of hetero- and bi-sexual men (some are simply looking to reconnect with their male peers on a non-sexual level) and we are simply finally vocalizing the fact that we are not 'part of' and never were 'part of' the gAy lifestyle. We're not hiding ourselves. It's gays that wish to delineate themselves as something apart from the larger male population. Not us. It has absolutely nothing to do with 'if people think you are gay'. WE don't identify ourselves as GAY. I may be homosexual. Homosexual is my orientation. But I am not GAY. Gay i refers to a lifestyle I have no affinity for or with. Actually, the 'rest of the world', once they explore g0ys in depth actually understand it. What they don't understand is 'gAy', which infuses into its definition elements which have nothing to do with mere MALE same-gender-affection: gender-bending, lesbians, cross-dressers, trans-sexuals and all manner of other factions. WE identify with the 50-60% of males with feelings of same-gender-affection outside the gay community, rather than the fetish factions within the 9-12% that all call themselves 'gay'. JT, I believe you might have misread the previous post. The author wrote “Effeminate”, not “Feminine”. There IS a difference. Feminine (soft) personalities are completely acceptable. EFFeminate (deliberate campy behavior) is not. The polar opposite of EFFeminiate would be a disply of hyper-masculinity. Both are affected campy behavior. We’re not separating ourselves from the rest of the world, we’re a larger demographic of men whom have always felt OUTSIDE the gAy lifestyle and whom – for many of us – have always BEEN outside the gAy lifestyle – g0ys include a large number of hetero- and bi-sexual men (some are simply looking to reconnect with their male peers on a non-sexual level) and we are simply finally vocalizing the fact that we are not ‘part of’ and never were ‘part of’ the gAy lifestyle. We’re not hiding ourselves. It’s gays that wish to delineate themselves as something apart from the larger male population. Not us. It has absolutely nothing to do with ‘if people think you are gay’. WE don’t identify ourselves as GAY. I may be homosexual. Homosexual is my orientation. But I am not GAY. Gay i refers to a lifestyle I have no affinity for or with. Actually, the ‘rest of the world’, once they explore g0ys in depth actually understand it. What they don’t understand is ‘gAy’, which infuses into its definition elements which have nothing to do with mere MALE same-gender-affection: gender-bending, lesbians, cross-dressers, trans-sexuals and all manner of other factions. WE identify with the 50-60% of males with feelings of same-gender-affection outside the gay community, rather than the fetish factions within the 9-12% that all call themselves ‘gay’.

]]> By: Rock http://enlightenedmale2000.com/2009/12/28/g0ys-spelled-with-a-zero/comment-page-1/#comment-652 Rock Tue, 20 Jul 2010 22:29:37 +0000 http://enlightenedmale2000.com/?p=2150#comment-652 The commentary of not understanding probably comes from either not actually taking the time to read the g0ys.org website or being gAy or both. gAy guys have been brainwashed by gAy media and gAy community to the point that understanding the average male is beyond their ability without a true desire or need to leave the gAy identity behind. It is not about hating people but hating the disrespect for masculinity and disease spreading death practices of a certain group of people. It is about male2male practices that have always existed discretely among men and respected privately. It is not about anonymous encounters or just using a guy to get your rocks off. And if you are gAy and don’t understand our perspective, we really don’t care. But if you sincerely want to learn more, then read http://www.g0ys.org and check into some of our yahoo groups that are supportive of guys who identify with us and enjoy the camaraderie. Search the internet for g0ys (spelled with a zero)... ROCK The commentary of not understanding probably comes from either not actually taking the time to read the g0ys.org website or being gAy or both. gAy guys have been brainwashed by gAy media and gAy community to the point that understanding the average male is beyond their ability without a true desire or need to leave the gAy identity behind. It is not about hating people but hating the disrespect for masculinity and disease spreading death practices of a certain group of people. It is about male2male practices that have always existed discretely among men and respected privately. It is not about anonymous encounters or just using a guy to get your rocks off. And if you are gAy and don’t understand our perspective, we really don’t care. But if you sincerely want to learn more, then read http://www.g0ys.org and check into some of our yahoo groups that are supportive of guys who identify with us and enjoy the camaraderie. Search the internet for g0ys (spelled with a zero)…

ROCK

]]> By: Ryan http://enlightenedmale2000.com/2009/12/28/g0ys-spelled-with-a-zero/comment-page-1/#comment-651 Ryan Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:30:29 +0000 http://enlightenedmale2000.com/?p=2150#comment-651 What a refreshing take on male/male intimacy. What a refreshing take on male/male intimacy.

]]> By: JT http://enlightenedmale2000.com/2009/12/28/g0ys-spelled-with-a-zero/comment-page-1/#comment-364 JT Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:17:23 +0000 http://enlightenedmale2000.com/?p=2150#comment-364 Well I as well am grossed out by the thought of anal sex but the thing I noticed about g0ys.org is if your feminine at all no matter if you can help it or not then you don't fit in with that group (maybe im wrong someone correct me if I am) but what im seeing from that is that they are separating themselves from the rest of the world and not really showing everyone who they really are and that to me is just sad because hiding yourself is not the answer I personally think you should be open and honest with who you are if people think your gay then who cares because deep down you know what you identify yourself as so if the rest of the world don't like it that's their prob not yours. Well I as well am grossed out by the thought of anal sex but the thing I noticed about g0ys.org is if your feminine at all no matter if you can help it or not then you don’t fit in with that group (maybe im wrong someone correct me if I am) but what im seeing from that is that they are separating themselves from the rest of the world and not really showing everyone who they really are and that to me is just sad because hiding yourself is not the answer I personally think you should be open and honest with who you are if people think your gay then who cares because deep down you know what you identify yourself as so if the rest of the world don’t like it that’s their prob not yours.

]]> By: Gimmel Yod http://enlightenedmale2000.com/2009/12/28/g0ys-spelled-with-a-zero/comment-page-1/#comment-357 Gimmel Yod Sun, 28 Feb 2010 12:12:50 +0000 http://enlightenedmale2000.com/?p=2150#comment-357 Appreciate your commentary on g0ys.org. I wanted to point out that PART of the reason that g0ys.org has the tone that it carries is because it is necessary to make clear to the visitor what the g0ys' movement is & is NOT about -in no uncertain terms. The site appeals to regular guys & provides a comfort level of psychological assurance by setting a tone that makes it clear that the "FEMS & PANSIES" of "GAYDOM" will not be welcome to drop in. G0Ys is NOT a "Gay-Friendly" place. The "Gay" community "Tolerates" everything. G0YS DON'T. If a guy needs a "pacifier" either in his mouth or in his arse -- then he's not welcome at g0ys.org. G0YS draw the hard-line so that men who love MEN will know they're in a place of like-minded guys -while knowing that some half-man isn't in the virtual lobby filing his nails or scoping for a piece of tail. Effeminate & the arse-phukking --NOT welcome. And with that message loudly broadcast: The kind of guys who are g0y can feel more confident that they're around kindred spirits & not closeted queens. Appreciate your commentary on g0ys.org. I wanted to point out that PART of the reason that g0ys.org has the tone that it carries is because it is necessary to make clear to the visitor what the g0ys’ movement is & is NOT about -in no uncertain terms. The site appeals to regular guys & provides a comfort level of psychological assurance by setting a tone that makes it clear that the “FEMS & PANSIES” of “GAYDOM” will not be welcome to drop in. G0Ys is NOT a “Gay-Friendly” place. The “Gay” community “Tolerates” everything. G0YS DON’T. If a guy needs a “pacifier” either in his mouth or in his arse — then he’s not welcome at g0ys.org. G0YS draw the hard-line so that men who love MEN will know they’re in a place of like-minded guys -while knowing that some half-man isn’t in the virtual lobby filing his nails or scoping for a piece of tail. Effeminate & the arse-phukking –NOT welcome. And with that message loudly broadcast: The kind of guys who are g0y can feel more confident that they’re around kindred spirits & not closeted queens.

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